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  1. As the former is merely a prerequisite for receiving charity and the latter is an infringement upon a Natural Right as enumerated in the Constitution, this makes perfect sense.

    Also, 2.6% criminality is several orders of magnitude higher than that of legal gun purchases.

    • Since the ‘right’ to own guns is in the Bill of Rights – it is not a ‘natural right’ – it is a right given by the Government.
      Also you like so very many, ignore the wording of the 2nd Amendment – “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.
      Now please go ahead and tell me that every Amendment is a ‘natural right’ since the 2nd to you is.
      Also what part of ‘well regulated’ confuses you?
      Also comparing ‘criminal’ to legal is idiotic.
      Also (GRINS!) show me where the 2.6% is ‘criminal. Does that include those with say lawful prescriptions of pot failing drug testing?
      Now show me the number of people owning guns who have broken the law.

      The posting is an abstract that whizzed way over your head.
      The false logic of drug testing those seeking help vs not checking backgrounds over those wanting guns.
      Needing help vs owing a weapon that can kill.

      • The entire bill of rights was meant to be included in the constitution itself, but got delayed while they worked out the wording so the entirety of the 1st 10 amendments are natural rights enumerated, not granted, by that document.

        As for the wording of the 2nd Amendment and your ignoring of SCOTUS decisions about the same, one must remember that the militia was and still is the entirety of the able-bodied free men – should be women too but we’re a little backward – in the nation.

        As for legal drugs – that’s dealt with in the various pieces of legislation, though the chance that any measurable number would be prescribe pot is infinitesimal as it’s barely prescribed so far due to not being formally acknowledged by the FDA or the AMA (something that should be corrected through proper channels).

        But you bring up the key point – the handout seekers are seeking help. There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with applying restrictions to that whereas there is an issue with restricting people’s basic rights.

        BTW – Voting could be argued to lead to many orders of magnitude more deaths and suffering than any private ownership of firearms has ever led to and so many are against any checks or id requirements upon that, so the “owning a weapon that can kill” falls flat with me.

      • You – ‘The entire bill of rights was meant to be included in the constitution itself, but got delayed while they worked out the wording so the entirety of the 1st 10 amendments are natural rights enumerated, not granted, by that document’.

        No. The Bill Of Rights was a compromise to the Anti Federalists. Madison, at the time he wrote them, did not fully support many of them but later came to see them as aiding to the building of our society.

        Taking your story of the Amendments being ‘Natural Law’, Madison also wrote an Amendment regarding apportionment and another regarding Congressional pay raises.

        See : http://teachinghistory.org/history-content/ask-a-historian/21861

        In fact he added 19 Amendments which was trimed down to 12 as not enough States ratified the other 9.

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        This will make you 0-2 in actually knowing our history and the Constitution.

        You – ‘As for the wording of the 2nd Amendment and your ignoring of SCOTUS decisions about the same, one must remember that the militia was and still is the entirety of the able-bodied free men – should be women too but we’re a little backward – in the nation’.

        Again no.

        ‘A well regulated militia’ the Court ruled, is a prefatory clause – preserving the States authority over militias – that does not limit the operative clause – “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

        As to SCOUTUS ruling :

        Justice Scalia Majority Opinion :

        “There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was not unlimited, just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see, e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to speak for any purpose”.
        @ : http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html

        ‘Since United States v. Miller, most federal court decisions considering the Second Amendment have interpreted it as preserving the authority of the states to maintain militias. Several of the post-Miller lower court opinions are discussed here (PDF)’.

        ‘In the majority opinion authored by Justice Antonin Scalia, the Court first conducted a textual analysis of the operative clause, “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The Court found that this language guarantees an individual right to possess and carry weapons. The Court examined historical evidence that it found consistent with its textual analysis. The Court then considered the Second Amendment’s prefatory clause, “[a] well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,” and determined that while this clause announces a purpose for recognizing an individual right to keep and bear arms, it does not limit the operative clause. The Court found that analogous contemporaneous provisions in state constitutions, the Second Amendment’s drafting history, and post-ratification interpretations were consistent with its interpretation of the amendment. The Court asserted that its prior precedent was not inconsistent with its interpretation’.
        @ : http://loc.gov/law/help/second-amendment.php

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        You – ‘As for legal drugs – that’s dealt with in the various pieces of legislation, though the chance that any measurable number would be prescribe pot is infinitesimal as it’s barely prescribed so far due to not being formally acknowledged by the FDA or the AMA (something that should be corrected through proper channels)’.

        Where are the links showing (and proving) those ‘various pieces of legislation’ that ‘pot is infinitesimal as it’s barely prescribed’.

        And those links should show the #’s for total population and those applying for welfare.

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        You – ‘But you bring up the key point – the handout seekers are seeking help. There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with applying restrictions to that whereas there is an issue with restricting people’s basic rights’.

        BTW – ‘Voting could be argued to lead to many orders of magnitude more deaths and suffering than any private ownership of firearms has ever led to and so many are against any checks or id requirements upon that, so the “owning a weapon that can kill” falls flat with me’.

        Somewhat interesting abstract babble.

        The Amendments were compromise to the Anti Federalist not part of the original Constitution.

        You are still confused by ‘Well regulated’ so read Scalia’s opinion.

        You ignored the comparing ‘criminal to legal for good reason as it was an idiotic comparison.

        Won’t show where the criminal action is in the 2.6% nor the gun owners who have also committed criminal acts.

        Don’t prove your points.

        You seem very good at that.

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