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A Conversation with a Conservative on Health care

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4 things really jumped out at me in my back and forth with this person.

# 1 – They don’t read the posts they link to.

# 2 – The Conservative ‘alternative’ to Obamacare is if people don’t have insurance – too bad.

# 3 – Conservatives don’t understand the difference between insurance and health care. To them, as Mitt Romney explained, health care is a trip to the Emergency Room.

# 4 – Conservatives (i.e. teabaggers) actually believe that the Constitution limits what Government can do.

In reality the Constitution is the ‘Social Contract’ between ‘We the People’ and the Government of the United States Of America.

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America”.

The Preamble is the benefits ‘We the People’ will receive from a structured, organized and stable Government – a society.

The Constitution itself is not what the Government will do but how the Government will function.

But that’s what the teabaggers, the Republican Party wants to stop – our Government from governing.

Several day sago I made a post : ‘“Where Obamacare Premiums Will Soar” and ‘Oh, Yeah, There’s This Other Stuff About Obamacare’ @ : https://thelastofthemillenniums.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/where-obamacare-premiums-will-soar-and-oh-yeah-theres-this-other-stuff-about-obamacare/

And the next day I got a ‘pingback’ from : http://akula51.net/2013/08/10/where-obamacare-premiums-will-soar/

The following is the back and forth we had for a couple of days.
******************’Father Kane’ :**************
‘LOL. Thanks for the link and The Obama Crat reblog of my post’.

‘So two of your related articles are the same post’.

‘Read much’?

‘You might try it’.

‘The post I made explains that most States will see decreases and the reason some are saying insurance rates are going up is they are comparing different types of plans and also ignoring the higher deductions and less coverage..’

‘Best part of all…..absolutely nothing from Conservatives as to alternatives’.

‘Let’s just let 34 to 56 millions people go with out health care insurance’.

‘That’s the Conservative idea of ‘American Expceptionalism’.

‘Doing nothing and complaining when others at least try’.
****************’Reply ?’***************

realakula51 Post author
August 12, 2013 at 08:27
‘Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I’ll get them removed’.

‘I certainly wasn’t trying to link to anything that was pro-PP/ACA’.

‘The alternative is to get the Federal Government out of the health insurance business, where it never should have been to begin with’.

‘By allowing it to manipulate the tax code to “subsidize” employer-provided benefits, they have adversely affected the market’.

‘It seems very interesting that your main tone of your comment is designed to be personally insulting to me, as if to provoke a reaction. You really need to get a new playbook from Axelrod, that one is pretty stale’.

‘If people can’t afford health insurance, they don’t get it. Pretty simple – especially since nobody in this country is ever *denied healthcare*’.

‘Have a great Monday, I know I will’!
*****************’Reply ?’*******************

Father Kane
August 12, 2013 at 08:39
‘I am and will have a great day’.

‘Again you offered no alternative to those that can’t afford insurance’.

‘And your ‘solution’ that no one is *denied healthcare* means that usually those that don’t have insurance use the emergency room (the most costly form of *health care*) and the vast majority default on thier medical bills’.

‘That raises every ones cost of health care’.

‘Doing nothing – thinking that the emergency room is *health care* is not an option’.

‘Health and the lack of care cost all of us in higher medical costs and it costs business in less production’.

‘As to you thinking the comment was personal’.

‘No’.

‘Defend what you wrote’.

‘And start reading what you link’.
****************’Reply’********************
realakula51 Post author
August 12, 2013 at 09:24
‘Nobody in a universe based on sanity can come to the conclusion that you can provide more insurance to more people and have costs go down. That sort of logic only happens in some progressive liberal fantasy-land’.

‘Rates are and will skyrocket – are you buying into whatever distortions are caused to the narrative by the simple fact that they’ve been taxing us for this for years, and it still isn’t implemented? When you bake 10 years of taxation into a pie that only covers 6…5…or will it finally be 4 years – it’s nothing but a recipe for fail. These are undeniable facts’.

‘Costs were designed to soar – this legislation was designed to destroy the health insurance industry, and was from the start. Harry Reid has all but admitted it’s just a signpost no their roadmap to a single-payor apocalypse’.

‘No thanks’!
******************Reply’********************
Father Kane
August 12, 2013 at 10:25
‘You’re confusing or maybe you simply don’t understand the difference between health care and insurance’.

‘When you get sick….do you go to your insurance company? Or a doctor’?

‘We have 34 to 56 million people in this Country that don’t have insurance’.

‘So when they get sick…..really sick….they have to go to the emergency room’.

‘That is the most costly form of health care’.

‘Also…the care given at an emergency is only for the emergency’.

‘Any other condition(s), the hospital staff refer you to your ‘family doctor’’.

‘Emergency rooms don’t offer health care’.

‘They treat emergencies’.

‘That is the health care problem we have in America’.

‘We don’t have an insurance problem in America’.

‘They are among the most profitable companies in America’.

‘Rates will not ‘soar’’.

‘On some plans, yes the cost will go up and on others it will go down’.

‘Just as all of us pay taxes for roads, air travel, train travel, military, Veterans, etc…we will all pay taxes for what will be the beginnings of a national health care’.

‘That is the ‘social contract’ in our Constitution’.

‘Insurance companies will still be around when we eventually move to a National Single Payer Health Care Plan’.

‘So again understand the difference between health care and health insurance’.

‘A health insurance company should not set the standards of what care a patient will receive’.

‘Only a doctor should do that’.
****************’Reply’*******************
realakula51 Post author
August 12, 2013 at 20:22
‘Where to begin with all of that drivel’?

‘Please point out any mention of a social contract in our Constitution’.

‘Rates already have soared. You’re the one living in dreamland. Peace’.
****************’Reply’********************
Father Kane
August 13, 2013 at 07:23
‘ROTFLMAO!!!’
‘Good Buddha’!

‘It’s the Preamble to the Constitution : “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

‘Now you were just kidding right’?
‘You had to have known that’?

******************’Reply’******************
realakula51 Post author
August 12, 2013 at 20:24
‘The entire (and only) purpose of the Constitution is to limit the power of the Federal Government. Are you sure we live in the same country’?
****************Reply**********************
fatherkane
August 13, 2013 at 07:25
‘No’.

‘The purpose of the Constitution to is establish how we will govern ourselves’.

‘What we do to Govern ourselves is a matter of debate and for each generation to decide as the circumstances of our present and the direction of our future are chosen’.

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  1. Jueseppi B. on said:

    Reblogged this on The ObamaCrat™.

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