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But it’s NOT Republican Obstructionism – ‘Boehner Considering Bill To Delay Obamacare’s Individual Mandate For A Year’

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The fact that millions of Americans have gone, are now and will continue to be without heath care insurance….is completely unimportant.

What’s important to the Republicans is that Obama get’s nothing…….

Sadly that’s also what a growing number of Americans get…..nothing.

‘House Speaker John Boehner is encouraging his members to support a crafty legislative response to the Obama administration’s decision to delay implementation of the Affordable Care Act’s employer mandate, according to a highly placed GOP source’.

‘The strategy is two pronged’.

‘First, House Republicans would introduce legislation to effectively authorize the employer mandate delay by statute — effectively making the administration’s decision explicitly lawful’.

‘Subsequently, the House would vote on companion legislation to delay the law’s individual mandate by one year as well, creating a moral conundrum for Democrats, who have supported the reprieve for large employers’.
From : http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/07/boehner-pushes-house-gop-on-response-to-obamas-decision-to-delay-employer-mandate.php

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12 thoughts on “But it’s NOT Republican Obstructionism – ‘Boehner Considering Bill To Delay Obamacare’s Individual Mandate For A Year’

  1. If politicians are supposed to represent their constituents’ wishes, and the constituents’ wishes is to delay its implementation, then the Republicans–no matter how misguided you think they are–act in a manner consistent with their role in the government.

    • So millions of Americans don’t need health care or insurance to cover health care?

      You keep telling yourself – since you and the Republicans have no solutions – that ‘Well, they are just representing their constituents’.

      The lack of health care insurance is costing the economy BILLIONS and increasing all of our costs when we seek medical care.

      It’s a problem for all of America.

      • I legitimately don’t know what millions of Americans need. I barely know what I need to get through one day. I am, however, willing to take millions of Americans at their own word when they say they do not approve of the Patient Affordability Act. Certainly, when I see someone and ask them ‘do you know what they want,’ on a one-on-one basis, I take their answer at face value.

        If I was a politician, as horrible as that sounds, it would not be any different. People know what they want better than I do–I’m not their parent, or guardian. No matter how misguided I think they are it’s every politician’s duty to dully and duly follow through with their constituencies” wishes.

      • You – “I legitimately don’t know what millions of Americans need”.

        Me – Inform yourself. Do you really not know that cost of millions of Americans NOT having health care or insurance?
        If you don’t, then you really have nothing to add to the conversation.

        This, the lack of health care or insurance for low incomes to cover health care is a HUGE problem.
        It adds Billions to our debt – a debt that affects all of us.

        And it adds greatly to the cost of health care when ever any of us seeks health care.

        But you ” legitimately don’t know what millions of Americans need’.

        Your ignorance is the reason America is no longer a great Nation.

      • I think it is impossible to know the intimate details of the physical, financial and (even) moral state of millions of Americans for myself. The complexity of a single human life, much less replicated millions of times over, seems to suggest that we should simply take Americans at their word. If they do not want health insurance, or at least do not want health insurance in the manner that the current administration hopes to produce, it behooves me to take their opinions as legitimate expressions of their own agency. It seems particularly bizarre to go up to, quite simply, millions of Americans and say ‘hey, I did some research on the internet and *I know better than you* what is best for you.”

        I think the problem I have is that, in my mind, the maxim ‘I know what is best for me’ is unassailable. Especially when it is being said by other people.

      • OK. Government 101.
        It’s called the ‘social contract’. We are the ‘United’ States of America and we are not a Democracy.

        In a Democracy you would have everyone vote.

        In a Republic, we elect those to represent us.

        Even if something doesn’t affect you personally, if it is a problem for America (increasing debt due to lack of health care for millions and increasing individual costs due to lack of insurance)then it is the ‘social contract’ that demands that those who represent us, regardless if it doesn’t affect them or the majority of their constituents directly, it affects the Country so needs to be addressed.

        Do you understand the difference between a Representative not being affected or even the majority of his or her voters AND an issue affecting America?
        Our debt, raising cost of health care, our standard of living?

      • But, last time I checked, a majority of Americans approve of repealing it.

        http://www.gallup.com/video/163328/americans-disapprove-affordable-care-act.aspx

        According to the social contract theory, doesn’t that mean that ‘all’ politicians should bow to the popular will and join the Republicans?

      • And last November, just after the election, a Kaiser poll had a majority wanting Obamacare and a minority wanting it repealed.

        I’m sorry that you’re not smart enough to understand something so basic as we are not a Democracy. We are a Republic.

        Look it up.

        Public opinion should not determine our legislation as public opinion bases it’s course on a ‘democracy’ vs. a Republic form of Governing.

        And I see you don’t understand the ‘social contract’ either.

        The ‘social contract’ frankly ignores popular will in favor of safety and security of the population within the State.

        Not the individual.

      • So it was wrong for the Republicans to oppose it then, in Feb’, but now it is fine–right?

        I’m not trying to say that we should have a referendum on the subject, but I’m not quite sure I understand. You want the Republicans to do the opposite of what their constituencies want, because we live in a republic, but you want the Democrats to do what their constituencies want–also because we’re in a republic? To me that sounds like a very, shall we say, convenient line of reasoning. When something you like is supported by the will of the people, then it’s time to declare the end to obstructionism and get on with democracy. When you like something that isn’t supported by the will of the people, then it’s time to declare the end to obstructionism and get on with being a republic!

        Hopefully you can understand my trepidation about how neatly, and circular, your argumentation sounds?

      • You – “So it was wrong for the Republicans to oppose it then, in Feb’, but now it is fine–right”?
        Me – I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.
        The Republicans opposed it the (in November) and oppose it now. Yet in the 90’s and 00’s, where favor of many of the proposals in Obamacare.

        You – “I’m not trying to say that we should have a referendum on the subject, but I’m not quite sure I understand”.
        I know you don’t understand.

        You – ” You want the Republicans to do the opposite of what their constituencies want, because we live in a republic, but you want the Democrats to do what their constituencies want–also because we’re in a republic”?
        Noooooooooo. I want the right thing to be done. The lack of any type of ‘national health care’ is costing us billions of dollars in our economy. It also costs individuals more as those without insurance usually don’t pay and the cost is added on/passed along to everyone else. And that doesn’t include the ‘greatest Nation in the World’ being the only industrialized Nation NOTto have a National health Insurance plan.

        You – ” To me that sounds like a very, shall we say, convenient line of reasoning”.
        Well using your reasoning, we would have Obama care in November and now in July we wouldn’t. And when and if public opinion changes again, we would just keep yo-yoing back and forth.
        That wouldn’t make for a stable government would it?

        You – ” When something you like is supported by the will of the people, then it’s time to declare the end to obstructionism and get on with democracy”.
        “When you like something that isn’t supported by the will of the people, then it’s time to declare the end to obstructionism and get on with being a republic”!
        “Hopefully you can understand my trepidation about how neatly, and circular, your argumentation sounds”

        #1 – Again I’ll type slow so you’ll hopefully understand…..We….are….not…a…democracy.
        #2 – What is circular about wanting to fix something that is harming our Country – increasing our debt, increasing the cost of individual medical costs?

        That is not ‘circular logic’.

        Which is something else you apparently don’t understand…….

      • For something that is so obvious and easy to understand, I am at a loss to explain why such an overwhelming majority of Americans cannot see the thing in the same light. I think you bring up a lot of fair points if the spread between approval and disapproval was smaller–yet it simply isn’t. This is not a case of yo-yoing because, with only a few outliers, the country has been steadily–and increasingly–against the legislation’s implementation.

        Democracy, republic, theocracy, dictatorship or what have you: in any event it takes a certain amount of obliviousness for a politician to stand, in the limelight, and declare that they will dutifully ignore the people who have the ability to end their employment every two years (or, depending, four).

        Hopefully this does not come off as too rude, but what–exactly–do you expect? “Oh, hey, you (all) elected me to stop this legislation but… Fuck you! This isn’t a democracy, I’ll do whatever I damn please!”

        To me, at least, that’s asking for a lot. A lot from the politician and also a lot from your average person, like myself, who sees political representatives in Washington as an *extension* of the people’s will rather than an antagonist towards it.

      • You – ” No matter how misguided I think they are it’s every politician’s duty to dully and duly follow through with their constituencies” wishes”.

        Me – Show me in any oath of office, in any Article of the Constitution or Code of Law where it states that a ‘politician’s duty to dully and duly follow through with their constituencies” wishes”.

        And you keep citing the Gallup poll….

        ‘Gallup poll shows Romney will win the election over Obama’
        @ : http://www.examiner.com/article/gallup-poll-shows-romney-will-win-the-election-over-obama

        Yeah……that didn’t happen.

        And you keep ignoring my question – the real ‘social contract’ – why the Republican House votes to repeal but NOT REPLACE Obamacare while the lack of health insurance affects 40+ million Americans, the cost of health care keeps raising, the cost is adding to our National debt and the cost of every individual who seeks medical care.

        That is what Representative (Republic) Government does.

        Maybe you’ve heard these words before :

        “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America”.

        If health care isn’t ‘general welfare’, I don’t know what is……

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